I think the commentary about global warming is out of place. There are many, many other places for that.

Out of place? My pictures, my comments.

More help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humour and/or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

I should know, but I don't. And I thought it was funny considering all the snow- what you said :).

Carl

I certainly did not interpret your comments as being "political" in nature. It's obvious to me that you were just joking about your local weather. A friend of mine made similar joking comments to me about the weather she has been experiencing in Oklahoma City recently. Anyway, I liked your photos, especially the first one. Couldn't quite read the sign in the last one.

Andy

Taken from Southern Finland, near the capital (Helsinki) just outside the Nokia HQ. Actually we don't have that much snow as you can see from that last picture, but they pushed all the snow near that pole in to that one place, so it seems like that we got about 1.5 meters of snow. :D But still, this is some kind of record year if measured by the amount of snow. Actually some kids under 10 years of old, might remember this as a first winter season that there's more than 20cm of snow.

Sign in the last one says, that even that this road is intended for pedestrians and bicycles (as seen from the symbols), it's also allowed to drive with small scooters there (under 50cc). Both in finnish and swedish (we got two official languages here, like Canadians got their english and french).

They can't scam us on global warming so they changed it to climate change so they can fit there message (propaganda) to whatever the weather.. These people are for every learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth!!

I have lived long enough to know a scam when I hear one!!

Keep Warm, I mean Keep Cool, I mean ... Let me check the current channel (Al Gores channel) and see what they are spewing out.. the money making scam for the weak minded!!

PS.. Nice captures

Anyway Happy Shooting

It pretty bad when it's politically incorrect to talk about the weather! Ha Ha!

I woke up to yet another winter wonderland. I'm sick of this cold winter and wish it would warm up. Sorry If I offended anyone. I'm must learn to mind my manners. This is the fluffy snow that forms in the cold weather we are having in Washington DC area. Let's make the best of it and break out our cameras.

I guess all this snow and cold weather could be called. "an inconvenient truth" ;-)

I only mean it's inconvenient to get out of the house because it hard to steer in the right lane as the car keeps slipping to the left. I gotta be careful here. I don't want to bump into anyone in the left lane.

We've noticed all the snow jobs coming out of D.C., Dave. It's getting deeper and deeper!

Two years ago, I complained bitterly all winter about the cold and snow. So what did I do in May when it finally warmed up? Naturally, I spent a lot of my cash to fly up to Alaska to look at snow and ice!

The nice thing about being retired is that my car rarely leaves the garage on these cold and snowy Michigan mornings. I just sit around surfing the Web looking for more camera gear that I can't live without.

Drive careful!

Andy

After I last saw my gas/heat bill I too was already thinking there isn't any global warming!! :)

Mika, those are nice shots about the snow/weather/scenery there. Can we also see some outside pix of the Nokia HQ? If they catch you, just say there's a Phil-on-the-internet that said it's ok, and there's also a Carl that said we can take any pictures we want!! :) :) (So far already bought/went thru like 8 or 9 Nokia phones for my family and I).

Since it's cold outside, here I am indoors... already shopping on the internet for 2 more lenses! (I probably should not be doing any shopping too early in the morning:))

Bye

P

The data for climate change indicates that the average global temp is increasing. The scientists may be wrong but I tend to trust them more than someone who looks out their window or at their heating bill and declares that there is no such thing.

Theresa, I think all of us liked the pictures and see the fun of the sarcasm. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but I think that AMW is not the right platform for politics. Just my thought.
As an afterthought, CO2 emmisions are lower now than in the early 1900's and in Europe there are now a lot of discussions as the scientists have been using "facts" from a students thesis who based his conclusions on interviews with mountaineers who quoted that gletschers had been melting already in 1900 (loooong before they where born). This thesis is now the basis of a lot of political decisions.

Anyway, back to photography and to having fun.
Pat

for any talk not related directly to photography btw, so talk of this nature is perfectly acceptable here or on that forum as far as we are concerned at AMW- we don't have too many enforced rules here other than voluntary common decency to one another.

Debates are always welcome, perhaps this is a good topic for discussion in our Misc forum? Fine by me either way.

Carl

Theresa, I'm with you here. Climate change is a 100% fact, but which possibilities we have to control that, that's the real question. Some leading geologies have said, that the human touch is somewhere near 3%, some say we might have a 10% chance to alter the climate by our actions, then when it gets more political, like Al Gore with his 'movie', populism usually over rides facts.

The climate has never been stable in earth's history, this can be seen very clearly in geology sites, where we can quite clearly see the ice ages, warm seasons etc. and we can go back in time millions of years. Unfortunately these facts are not very often used, most of the reports are based only to the weather reports, and unfortunately again, those can give us graphs and data from the last 100-150 years, which is same than thinking about one minute in average human life when compared to the earths age. And yes, this can and might lead to some nasty things considering small and flat islands and most of the countries will lose some ground if the water level rises, fortunately the ground is rising also, of course it does that very slowly.

Earlier UN's IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) just admited, that they have falsified their records about the ice amount in Himalayas and there's no indication, that the amount of ice is smaller there now than it were before. They just wanted to shock and of course, get more funds. Unfortunately IPCC is not so neutral than it should be, it has a lot of political issues also, which is sad. I think, that we who pay the actions of the UN, should demand a neutral study of these changes and is there some correlation between those changes and our actions. And if yes, what should we do and when. But one thing is sure, even that there might not be any change to the weather, some greener choices will give us cleaner environment, air, food, water etc. and that's never a bad thing.

One other thing is also very sure, this thread just became perhaps the number 1 off topic -thread. :D

" Can we also see some outside pix of the Nokia HQ? If they catch you, just say there's a Phil-on-the-internet that said it's ok, and there's also a Carl that said we can take any pictures we want!! :) :) (So far already bought/went thru like 8 or 9 Nokia phones for my family and I)."

Phil, I think, that I have those kind of pictures already somewhere and there's no risk of security or police, we don't have any laws here against that kind of action. Actually we have here right to take pictures everywhere we want, if there's a free passage. Some shopping malls tries to put stickers etc. that you can't shoot, but they can't do anything is somebody shoots. You're also allowed to shoot goverment buildings, trains stations, police etc. Of course there are then some restrictions when it comes to publishing those pictures, that's not as liberal issue than taking photos. So unfortunately, there's no chance to see a scene where I'm running like a mad man with rent-a-cops just a few meters from me and trying to catch me. :D Good thing is, that you didn't ask any pictures from inside of that building, then I might have some issues with them. :D

But don't wait anything fancy, Nokia HQ is quite modest and small compared to other companies about that size usually in the world. Perhaps it's a finnish thing or something, they just do what they do, and no need to do anything else. To get this thread more off topic, I just might add later some pictures about that office. :D

Fantastic! As a debutante into the world of slr photography I only joined AMW to pick up some advice, crit and tips on improving my images; I now find myself in the middle of a raging geopolitical/historical/meteorological debate! May I suggest easing some religion into the discussion just to neatly round things off?

As a prison officer I don't tend to get much mentally stimulating debate at work so keep it up - i'm hooked

Rylinho

I parked my 4WD SUV at the top of the driveway near the road so I would not need clear the entire driveway. I did shovel a path from the house to the car. Now they are calling for 24 more inches over the next two days! It's been dark and snowing since about 10am now as the sun sets it's starting to stick. Soon my little path will be covered.

Warning to Americans traveling in Oslo Norway:
Keep you car windows tightly rolled up and your doors locked. Lately the folks in Oslo have reported to be thrusting peace prizes at American politicians!

It snowed more overnight. I could not open the hinged doors to my house due to the snow blocking the doors. I exited the house via a sliding door onto the deck.

Here is a picture taken from same place as last night:

Wide angle:

Foot prints in the snow on my back deck:

It's still snowing like crazy. The weather man tells us this will go on till 10:00 pm tonight.
I'm staying home and not driving anywhere! I do have snow shoes and gaters if worse comes to worse.

It's so pretty over there at your place Dave with all the snow!! Except gotta stay indoors huh?! Stay warm there ok?!!

We have more rain here today. It has rained so much lately that my sidewalk now has a Nikon problem (green with algae) :\ I'll need to blast the sidewalk clean when the weather here gets better.

Bye.

P

I think you should have bought a Toro snowblower instead of that latest 58 flash, Dave. Make sure you send us an updated photo when the snow gets higher than your windshield wipers.

Just another sunny day here in Michigan's "Winter Wonderland."

Andy

If he buys a Toro he can't use it after the snow is gone. The flash he can use all year, and even now, keeping warm in the house:)

-Rene

Sunshine at last! Time to put down the camera and pickup the shovel. They are calling for more snow Tuesday. I hope it not as bad. Winter wonderland my a$$! I'm ready for spring.

Beautiful scenery out your window! I love the snow and your picture brings back many memories! I use to live in Adak, Alaska! The snow there did not have all your beautiful trees though! LOL! Just tundra and glaciers!
Your little car looks like a big insect now! Stay warm & safe!

The windshield wipers look like feelers on a bug. And. it's cleared off now because two very sweet young ladies who live next door to me, showed up with a Torro snow blower and cleared the snow from around my car. All I had to do was sweep off the car. I invited them over to watch the game today on my big screen HDTV. It's good to have friends, both the flesh and blood type and you my friends in cyberland.

Soon I'll be driving to be with my intended.

One of the contentions of the global warming crowd is that you will get more extremes in weather - like these snow storms we are getting this year that you are referencing. Didn't you catch that on FOX?

Anybody flying in a plane and coming over an industrial area has to think all that stuff has to have some effect unless they just are in denial. Might be some legitimate debate on exactly what effect but has to be some.

There is no scam here. Instead, despite some disagreement in spots, there is broad and overwhelming agreement among scientists across the planet that global warming is not only a fact of our time, but that we as a species are strongly affecting it, in many different ways. This is not the first time there has been global warming, of course, and not the first time that various species of living beings have been the cause. We wouldn't be here without the give and take of the species that have preceded us.

The earth is about 15,000 years into our current global warming. Within this period, we may well initially have sped up the process by our adoption of agriculture, though subsequently there was a mini ice age from about 1000 AD until the 1860s. What is most notable in human behavior since the 1700s is the Industrial Revolution, and the great expansion in the burning of carbon fuels, which most scientists see as having led to the present acceleration of global warming, and the swift and undeniable melting of glaciers and ice caps. The real question today is not whether there is global warming--there most certainly is--but to what degree we have influenced it, how, and what we can do about it. Our enormous impact on the environment--not only on global warming, but on the destruction of other species, the poisoning of the oceans (worse for us than global warming), and the creation of continent-sized floating dumps of plastcs circulating in the Pacific--is the central challenge of all of our lives, and the most important challenge our species has ever faced.

We, as a people, as a nation, as a species, and as sentient beings on this planet cannot afford to be in denial about these issues. The photographers I admire the most are those who are using their cameras to bring these issues before the world.

Dulaney

The biggest scam in my life time and it's shame that people don't know the facts,

Here are a couple of links for you to get educated with

http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/news.php

http://www.dericalorraine.com/

http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/30-11-2009/110832-climategate-0

http://www.prisonplanet.com/archives/global_warming/index.htm

There are far more true scientist that don't agree with this scam and have evidence as well...

Save your diatribe !!

28" of snow in philadelphia... the storm of the century so far

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/fQb-EiAkykvGN77NQfj3Sg?feat=directlink

I could tell it was a joke. Not offended here. Us photographers do still have a sense of humor embedded under all that creativity :)
BTW that first shot is nice. I like the way the footprints lead you into the picture straight to the sun. Good composition!

Maybe for Philly. When I lived near Halifax, Nova Scotia, we had the most snowfall in a 24-hour period in CANADIAN history!!! It was 95.5cm, or 37.6" of snow with high winds, so some of the drifts were over 15 feet. That was Feb 20, 2004.

Fast forward. We now live near Ottawa, Ontario, and 2 years ago we had the second-worst snow season in Ottawa history. The record was 418cm of snow; we only had a mere 410cm, or 161.4" of snow for the season. I have a 3000 ft^2 driveway and NO SNOWTHROWER. You couldn't see half of my house for the snowbanks. At a couple of places, you could walk off my roof onto a snowbank.

I'm sure there MUST be other places in the world that get more snow than the relatively southern areas of Canada where I've lived, but It's hard to imagine.

Regards,
Rick

Simply responding to yours, but without anger, just concern.